Suppose we could've made it to DCUC Wave 25, if we could have made it to have one more year of 5 waves of 7 figures including a C&C for each, one retail 5 pack, two retail 2 packs and one SDCC exclusive...what would you have like to seen?

When making your lists, don't include the figures we got in the sub or that you know are coming. We often do a top 10 in many forums but if we show them what we would've wanted in a final year comparable to when waves 7-11 came out, it would give them a better idea of how much money they could've made and how much they could still make as they see which of our choices for figure selection blend together.

Personally for me, you're going to notice that I went for lots of Titans and Legion love as they were sorely underrepresented and would've been the best way to complete hero & villain teams still unfinished or unstarted.

Retail 5 pack - Royal Flush Gang (ala SuperFriends costumes)

Retail 2 packs - Starfire new sculpt & Blackfire
- Green Lantern crab mask Kyle and Fatality

SDCC exclusive - Bouncing Boy (figure and Ball accessory)

Wave 21
Changeling (Red/White & Purple White variants)
Phantom Girl
The Ray
Tempest with Aqualad variant
Ocean Master
Hounagan
Phobia
C&C Wildebeest

Wave 22
Nightwing (Perez)
Fire with Flame on variant
Mera with Red Lantern variant
Black Condor
Brother Blood
Tharok
Emerald Empress
C&C King Shark

Wave 23
Monel
Jericho
Kid Flash (Bart/older Wally variant)
Firehawk
Killer Frost
Trickster (James Jesse/Axel Walker variant)
Dr. Polaris (modern)
C&C Girder

Wave 24
Wonder Girl Cassie (Jeans/Red outfit variants)
Damage
Ice
Bloodwynd
Queen Bee
Pied Piper (modern/classic variants)
Warp
C&C Apokolips Armor Rocket Red

Wave 25
Superboy (T-shirt)
Shadow Lass
Human Bomb
Zauriel
The Key (modern/classic)
Dr. Light with Dr. Light II variant
Shimmer
C&C Mammoth

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This is assuming we had retail concurrent with the sub, right? Like, I don't have to finish the Metal Men here because the sub got them?

I'm going with what the waves were towards the end - six figures, no variants. I also went for waves that I thought could sell decently, not just personal choices (those are mixed in).

Wave 21
Aqualad
Aquaman (hook hand)
Batwoman (Kate Kane)
Beast Boy (80s Changeling look, but packaged under his more recognizable name)
Hush
Vigilante (Greg Saunders)
C&C: King Shark

Wave 22
The Atom (Ryan Choi)
Batman (Dick Grayson)
Enchantress
Ra's al Ghul
The Ray - classic look, and shiny gold to make him stand out on the shelf
Robin (Damian Wayne)
C&C: Frankenstein

Wave 23
Count Vertigo
Green Arrow (Golden Age)
Mon-el
Sand
Speedy (Roy Harper)
Wonder Girl (Cassie Sandsmark)
C&C: Killer Croc

Wave 24
Bizarro (light blue)
Flamebird (Bette Kane)
Hourman (Rick Tyler)
Nemesis
Scarecrow
Superboy (Conner Kent)
C&C: Swamp Thing

Wave 25 (last wave, I'm sneaking in two female figures)
General Zod
Green Arrow (Connor Hawke)
Miss Martian
Phantom Lady
Static
Superman (light blue)
C&C: The General

SDCC Exclusive: Granny Goodness

This message has been edited. Last edited by: secondwhiteline,

I believe the waves I listed could sell but I do understand that mixes with more Batman & Superman are what is often considered as the hot stuff on the shelves. If I had gone with more of my personal choices, there would've been some obscure figures in my lists for sure like Phantasm from Titans, Crimson Fox, all of the Brotherhood of Evil and Fearsome Five etc.

I do think that your list would've still given us more fill for our teams that are lacking secondwhiteline, I had just concentrated on Legion, Titans and Freedom Fighters as well as female and villains to round our DC Universe collection.

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Wave 21
1. Flashpoint Batman
2. Black Flash
3. Zauriel
4. Grifter
5. Aquaman with beard/hook
6. Aztek

CnC King Shark

Wave 22
1. Scandal Savage
2. Wondergirl
3. Superboy jeans
4. Hush
5. Mr Terrific
6. Salaak

CnC Plasmus

Wave 23
1. Cyborg
2. Fire
3. Ice
4. Heatwave
5. Superman light blue
6. Parallax Hal Jordan

CnC The General

Wave 24
1. Indigo-1
2. Batman Green Lantern/ variant Zebra Batman
3. Dr Polaris
4. Hourman 2nd/ variant Hourman 3rd
5. Robin Damian Wayne
6. Ras Al Ghul

CnC Wildebeaast

Wave 25
1. Shining Knight
2. Halo
3. Geo Force
4. Wonder Woman Earth-2
5. Batman dick grayson
6. Superman Red Son

CnC Winged Steed

Wave 21
Mera (with Red Lantern variant)
Ocean Master (Silver Age)
Tempest (Garth)
Aquaman (hook hand)
Mark Moonrider
Sun Boy
C&C - Shaggy Man


Wave 22
Superboy (Connor Kent, black T-shirt)
Poison Ivy (Silver Age)
Knockout
Mon-El (classic; with Superman's replacement variant)
Supergirl (evil black outfit)
Serifan
C&C - King Shark


Wave 23
Black Lightning (original 70s)
Dawnstar
Chronos (Silver Age)
Nightwing (disco collar)
Superman (older Earth-2 version; with young Earth-2 version)
Beautiful Dreamer
C&C - Big Bear


Wave 24
Hawkgirl (All-Star Squadron version)
Count Vertigo
Speedy (Roy Harper)
Green Arrow (original costume)
Black Canary (JLI costume)
Wonder Woman (older Earth-2 version, with younger variant)
C&C - Brick


Wave 25
Killer Frost (Neron)
Plastic Man (Flashpoint)
Vixen (modern JLA)
Parallax
Vykin
Batman (Dick Grayson, with Batman/Flashpoint variant)
C&C - Girder


San Diego CC
-Bouncing Boy (figure and ball!)

Wave 21:
Starfire (Perez & redone modern variants)
General Zod (Modern)
Sandman (Sandy Hawkins)
Scandal Savage
Ragdoll
Batman (Dick Grayson)
C&C: King Shark

Wave 22:
Terra
Changeling (teen buck)
Mister Terrific (Terry Sloane)
Liberty Belle (Libby Lawrence and Jesse Chambers variants)
Ocean Master
Aquaman (‘90s)
C&C: Killer Croc

Wave 23:
Robin (Tim Drake in Red & Green costume)
Cyborg (Modern)
Cheshire
Jeannette
Johnny Thunder with Jakeem variant
Kyle Rayner (‘90s)
C&C Thunderbolt

Wave 24:
Cyclone
Hourman (Rick Tyler)
Scarecrow
Kid Flash (Bart Allen) with Impulse variant
Hawkgirl (Kendra Saunders)
Roulette
C&C Frankenstein

Wave 25:
Nightwing (Perez)
Catwoman (early ‘90s and late ‘90s Balent variants)
Doctor Midnite (Pieter Cross)
Wondergirl (Cassie Sandsmark)
Johnny Sorrow
Superboy (T-shirt & jeans)
C&C Granny Goodness


Metropolis 5 Pack:
Superman (lighter blue)
Lex Luthor (business suit)
Lois Lane
Metallo (torn flesh)
Livewire

SDCC Exclusive:
Doomsday

2 Packs:
Raven (modern) and Beast Boy (purple and white costume on teen buck)
Ion (Kyle Rayner) and Parallax (Hal Jordan)

Sounds fun.

SDCC: Granny Goodness

Retail Two Packs:
1) 80s Beast Boy & Terra
2) Deathstroke & Ravager

Wave 21:
C&C: Mammoth
1) Jinx (Upper torso).
2) Wondergirl, Cassie S. (lower torso & head).
3) Aqualad, 80s version. (left arm).
4) Speedy, Roy Harper in the 80s (left leg).
5) Kid Flash (2003 Bart Allen).
6) Connor Kent in jeans (right leg).

Wave 22:
C&C: Plasmus
1) Miss Martian (with head and lower torso).
2) Jericho, 80s version (with upper torso).
3) Kid Devil, 2008 version (right arm).
4) Tempest (right left).
5) Psimon with Gizmo pack in. (left leg).
6) Dove, male version(right leg).

Wave 23:
C&C: Congorilla
1) Vixen (head and torso).
2) Jade (right arm).
3) Mon-El (left arm).
4) Cyborg, 2003-2011 update with vac metal, (right leg).
5) Prometheus (left leg).
6) Batman, Dick Grayson (no C&C part included). He is essentially an All Star.

Wave 24:
C&C: Shadowthief. He'd be similar to Metamorpho or Plastic Man in that you would get attachments so he could be shaped differently.
1) Johnny Thunder, golden age (with pack in thunderbolt).
2) Cyclone (with a flying monkey).
3) Hourman, modern.
4) Dr Midnight, modern.
5) Mr Terrific, golden age.
6) Vandal Savage

Wave 25:
C&C: King Shark
1) Scandal Savage (head & lower torso).
2) Jeannette (upper torso).
3) Ragdoll (right arm).
4) Madhatter (left arm).
5) Count Vertigo (left leg).
6) Heatwave (right leg).

The wave above would be cool, but i think it would bomb badly if put together in retail.

And just to get Doomsday in there;
Wave 26
C&C& Doomsday
1) Ice (head & lower torso).
2) Fire, with variants of flame on and flame off (upper torso).
3) Waverider (right arm).
4) Bloodwynd (left arm).
5) Damian Wayne as Robin (right leg).
6) Lex Luthor in business suit with mystiplix (spelling is off i know) pack in (left leg).

This message has been edited. Last edited by: Havok1891,

I'm going to go with the six figure waves we got towards the end as well, since Wave 20 seemed like WL Flash was tacked on simply to add an extra figure. I'm going to stick with a sort of theme as well, since 16 forward all had overall or partial themes (Batman, Spectrum Corps, Super Friends, JSA) with some randoms thrown in to fill out the wave.

And we're assuming the sub would have run concurrently, right? So those figures are all off the table?

Wave 21 (Bat-centric)
-Batman (Flashpoint)
-Scarecrow (Super Friends)
-Batwoman
-Flamebird
-Hush
-Prometheus
-CNC KGBeast

Wave 22 (Superman)
-Light blue Superman w/Mr. Mxyzptlk
-Connor Kent (jeans) w/Krypto
-"Terminator" Metallo
-General Zod
-Emerald Empress
-Fire
-CNC Doomsday

Wave 23 (JLA)
-Hook Aquaman
-Classic Kyle Rayner
-Ice
-Mera
-Bloodwynd
-Vandal Savage
-CNC Shaggy Man

Wave 24 (Villains)
-Ocean Master
-Heat Wave
-Felix Faust
-Granny Goodness (New tool, but not freaking CNC massive)
-Wonder Woman (Super Friends colors)
-Warlord (Travis Morgan)
-CNC King Shark

Wave 25 (Lantern)
-Jade
-Kanjar Ro
-Parrallax
-Fatality
-Tempest (or Aqualad)
-Tommy Monaghan
-CNC Hannu

Five Pack: The Royal Flush Gang!
-Ace
-King
-Queen
-Jack
-Ten

SDCC Exclusive: Sergeant Rock in ammo tin case, w/exclusive dogtags.

Retail 5 pack - batman and the outsiders black lightning, halo, katanna and geoforce with batman no black on cowl-easilly the biggest hit out of all the five packs bar none. simply genius.

Retail 2 packs - Batman and Robin corrected tim drake robin - again genius
- Superman lighter blue and 70's supergirl - fanboy and retail dream

SDCC exclusive - Salaak

Wave 21
Nemesis
General Zod
Ursa
dawnstar
black spider
superboy t-shirt jeans
wonder girl - cassie
C&C Non

Wave 22
Nightwing (Perez)
Firefly
Mr Freeze bronze age
vixen
batwoman kathy kane
hush
weather wizrd
C&C Blockbuster

Wave 23
speedy
aqualad
trickster
the cavalier
captain boomerang
superboy prime sc
Dr Light
C&C Girder

Wave 24
commissioner gordon
alfred
red hood biker jacket
jericho
sgt Rock
unknown soldier
the little guy from house of mystery
C&C doomsday

Wave 25
liberty belle
arisa
KG Beast
Ras al ghul
Dr silvana
Robin earth 2
huntress wayne
C&C Killer Croc

!!!!

Yeah, we're assuming all sub figures are off the table since in retrospect we know they got made. I also left out figures that I felt would work better in the sub that people would get excited for where as others in a wave might actually do better with a C&C piece. For example, Pied Piper at retail in a wave with a collect & connect might get more people deciding to buy him than if he was in the sub, where in the sub I'd be more excited to get Heat Wave, Weather Wizard, Trickster or even Abra Kadabra as my only figure that month.

I can honestly say that I would not have bought the JSA, Metal Men, Doom Patrol, "one ofs" like Jonah Hex or even half the Bat family that was forced upon us if it wasn't for having them in waves and am quite happy to have them now to the point I went back and picked up the JSA, Metal Men & Doom Patrol archives as I've developed an interest in reading about them. I was always more of a Titans or JLA fan so their scheme to sprinkle some in worked and had they kept that instead of throwing us full waves of rainbow lanters, superfriends and JSA, I think they could've kept going for another 20 waves.
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The JSA wave was not a flash in the pan wave like the Rainbow Lanterns.
They are essential to any DCU lineup and stand the test of time.


Wave 21

Infinity Inc Jade
The Golden Age Ray
Dick Grayson Batman
Silver Age Chronos
Sunboy
Pariah

Wave 22

Dawnstar
Johnny Thunder w/Tbolt
Black Condor
Guardians of Oa w/variants
Earth 2 Superman
Nuklon

Wave 23

Parallax
Doctor Occult
Katana
Silver Age Doctor Light
Mon El
Geo Force

Wave 24

Atomic Skull
Granny Goodness
Amazing Man(All Star Squadron)
Kyle Rayner 90s GL
Mr. Terrific I
Warlord

Wave 25

Highfather
Human Bomb
Felix Faust
Vixen(modern)
Vandal Savage
Waverider


Only BAFs I want are G.I. Robot and Doomsday.

The Royal Flush Gang as a 5pack.

And All Star Squadron Shining Knight w/Victory as
a SDCC exclusive.

Then let's get on Waves 26-30

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The JSA wave was not a flash in the pan wave like the Rainbow Lanterns.
They are essential to any DCU lineup and stand the test of time.

No, you're right. They were not a flash in the pan wave and can recognize their place in DC history. However I'm not a JSA fan just like I gather you are not a Titans fan by the lack of Titans in your list however there was a time when Titans was DC's best selling book and beat out the X-men each month.

I'm just saying that it was easier for anyone who is not a fan of any given team to collect when it wasn't all at once. I would've been excited to get the rainbow lanterns if they were spread out in waves here and there for example because they are visually striking and do like the theme even if they are not my biggest wants. Other teams that I did not care about previously and now I'm buying archives for 60 bucks...I'd say their marketing scheme did well in my case as I not only bought their toys but expanded my horizon to buy other product that falls under DC's umbrella and imagine that they hoped for some fans to take interest when they sold their license to Mattel.
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this is a good point if say wave 11 had been a metal men wave i would've been less than enthused. i knew nothing of them and wanted them even less. having them drip fed however, i appreciated each figure on its own merit and in the end couldn't wait to finish off the team.

if they had arrived in one wave early on, i may have passed on the wave.

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Originally posted by amos brearly:
this is a good point if say wave 11 had been a metal men wave i would've been less than enthused. i knew nothing of them and wanted them even less. having them drip fed however, i appreciated each figure on its own merit and in the end couldn't wait to finish off the team.

if they had arrived in one wave early on, i may have passed on the wave.

I agree. Same goes for Doom Patrol for me. I also wasn't too keen on the golden age era only type figures. And Wave 19 kind of pushed it for me, luckily they made it up for someone like me and included Stargirl & Stripes in it. But since I had GA Hourman, Spectre, Alan Scott, and knew Jay Garrick was coming down the pipe . . . well it made GA Hawkman, GA Sandman, & GA Atom more useful to bring into the fold. Oh and they gave us Magog in that wave and he was a modern JSA member as well, so it was nice and fair that wave was.

Wave 20 was pretty fair too with some Hawk & Dove choices I was wanting badly and modern Green & Red Arrow.

Oh I am sooooo sure another real wave would have been heavily Titan based. If only . . .

I hear you Havok, my biggest regret is that we didn't have at least one more Titan themed wave as the only one that came close was wave 13.

Looking back

wave 1 - assorted but with Batman anchor
wave 2 - assorted but with Aquaman anchor & Superman/Batman presence
wave 3 - assorted but with Green Lantern anchor and Batman presence
wave 4 - assorted but with Wonder Woman and Batman presence
wave 5 - assorted but with Superman & Batman presence (can we consider Atom an anchor?)
wave 6 - assorted with a lot of big names that should'a been spread out and Superman presence
wave 7 - assorted with Flash anchor
wave 8 - JSA heavy wave (Hawkgirl, Dr. Fate, Mr. Terrific, G.Ghost and even Vigilante in a way)
wave 9 - assorted with Green Arrow anchor
wave 10 - assorted with Batman anchor
wave 11 - assorted with Green Lantern anchor
wave 12 - assorted but JSA presence with Spectre & Dr. Midnight
wave 13 - assorted with Titans/WW anchor (hard to tell which one it was now that I really think about it)
wave 14 - JSA heavy wave (GL, Obsidian, Hourman, Ultrahumanite)
wave 15 - Martian Manhunter anchor with JSA presence in Starman and Titans got Raven
wave 16 - Batman heavy wave
wave 17 - rainbow lanterns
wave 18 - superfriends wave
wave 19 - JSA wave
wave 20 - brightest day wave? or was it a Flash or Green Arrow anchor?

when you look at that, I would've still preferred assortments that matched the first five waves and/or waves 7, 9-13, but we never really did get a Legion or even a proper Titan themed wave sadly.
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